Tag: MGTOW

Sandman’s Introduction to MGTOW

An analysis…

A short video I found talking about the MGTOW (men going their own way), by the MGTOW OG Sandman is worth having a discussion.

He starts off with telling us about what it means to take the red pill. The red pill is an image from the movie Matrix created by the Wachowski brothers. The Wachowski brothers are guys that like to dress up like women, and so it is now more correct to refer to them as Wachowski “sisters”. They are now very angry that their scene with Morpheus and Neo is being misused by “fascists”. 😆👌

And so, a man that takes the red pill acknowledges the ugly truth about women that the mainstream society and boomer truth never accepts. Sandman says “women will rip out your heart and your testicles through your wallet, and move on to a next victim.” “Taking the red pill makes you aware of how women operate and you stop being naive about it.”

The red pill was always about making the men aware of what awaits them if the start a relationships with a modern woman. The divorce courts, the cheating, the bastard kids, the fucking state meddling in your affairs, child support, alimony, false rape and domestic violence accusations for which the accusers are never prosecuted, gynocentrism, DEI, bullshit jobs for women, 80/20 rule, how not to be a simp…

The red pill can also be extended into other areas. Yours truly was for a long time red pilled about Ukraine. It is interesting that I became red pilled on women and on Ukraine at the same time. Many people need a dose of red pill on Ukraine. What about red pill on race. Your white ass is being told to not be racist but then you don’t relax around blacks because you know that if you do, bad things will happen. You can be red pilled on money, inflation. Basically, the mainstream lies to you about a lot of things to advance agenda, and the red pill is the ugly truth.

According to Sandman there are 4-5 different levels to MGTOW. 1. The purple pill man, who realizes that the women use the government, the courts, men’s desire to reproduce to take advantage of men. But the purple pill man actually believes that the risks outweigh the benefits of being married. Level 2. MGTOW believes in dating and short relationships without marriage, long terms relationships, or cohabitation with a woman. Level 3. Doesn’t believe in dating women at all. Level 4. Limits his interactions with the state and society. Ghosting they call it. Basically Uncle Ted in the cabin.

I would say I am level 2. but not because of me, because of the women. I never had a long term relationship with a woman but I had sex many times. With different women and hell no would I make any of them my wife. I would say two of them went fully lesbian. Modern women can have each other. Lesbian communes are the future.

Sandman has a lot of this avoid the state thing. Bitcoin and solar panels, live off the grid, don’t talk to people. Quite frankly fuck that. This video is 11 years old, now we have laws managing Bitcoin and other crypto, governments are buying Bitcoin. Solar panels and living off the grid is hard work. Honestly, I like civilization and as much as I hate the government, power from a nuclear reactor is better than a solar panel and you still need somebody to maintain security. I get only irritated when governments fail to deliver on energy, security, or when my money lose value. Maybe the government shouldn’t even deal with this but the government can mobilize the most resources.

Remember boys, many more women today than in past generations are riding the cock carousel. That means they have sex with dozens of men before they decide to settle down. If they even settle down. Women want to settle with a beta male provider. A blue pill man with no understanding of female nature. Because if he is ignorant of the way women operate, he is more easily manipulated. Men who are aware of how women function is harder to shame and coerce into doing their bidding. He knows the game, so he is harder to trick into marriage, protection, and resource extraction. Shame is the name of women’s game.

Whenever you see a single woman in her 30s, the question always arises what did she do in her 20s? Do you honestly believe all the stories about how Chad was abusive, and a narcissist? 😆👌 Also, women are literally prostitutes and will give up the box for presents. In fact many expect presents and expensive restaurants in order to keep being interested. If you are an average bloke, you need to guard your wallet. Punani can get really costly. Many stories of women bringing their friends to a dinner organized by a man.😆👌 Are you having sex with all of her friends?😆👌

Also, I have come to conclusion that I am not going to slut shame women even if it is obvious that she is a slag. She is a slag but she is your slag, it is your turn buddy. You can say no to that used up punani. 😆👌 I believe that women are actually expressing a normal primate behavior. It is the patriarchy that is brought about by civilization. We are expecting the women to do what our fathers have done. Control their mating but what if they don’t want to?

Women will have children with the beta provider (sometimes in a marriage with the beta but by an alfa charger) and then would leave the beta (sometimes to shack up with the alpha dude) and take beta to court for child support and alimony.😆👌

I see this changing gradually. Life time alimony is being abolished in places like Florida. There is 50/50 custody and hence no child support. DNA testing at birth should be mandatory. These laws in favor of men level the playing field for men.

A lot of guys that became MGTOW are divorced men that pay child support and lifetime alimony. The courts often award the entire value of the house to the woman. This happens in the US mostly, not here in Czechia, here in Czechia women get fuck all in divorce, and we still have 50% divorce rate.

Sandman also mentions the wall. This is the fact that woman’s looks depreciate rapidly after she hits the age of 30. And that’s why boys you need to Leonardo di Caprio. She hits 25, next.😆👌Men increase their value over the age of 30 because they increase their bank accounts.

Another reason you should go MGTOW are shit tests. So a lot of women will try to manipulate you for money, and this is a test of your provider prowess. She says “I want” and you need to be an obedient puppy and say “yes mommy”. Ironically, women lose attraction for such a man when he does it. Another shit test is the protector test when she makes you fight another man. 😆👌

Sandman questions whether the women can love a man the men love women. 😆👌 Men scale mountains, write poetry, invent things for the punani.

But then Sandman comes to an interesting observation. Why should men be traditional providers and protectors for women that are no longer traditional mothers and wives? This is a million dollar question that few want to tackle. You are either expected to man up and be a man to modern women, or you are rejected as an ugly incel that cannot get laid. 😆👌What if I wanna bitch that cooks and cleans, helps my ass, and gives me an heir? Is that too much to ask?

Quite frankly, we men don’t owe women shit anymore. They can have their own bank accounts. It is easier for them to get jobs, positions are created just for them. Like honestly, why do you need to keep a bitch in her divine feminine with your money? These bitches need to give you kids, they need to help you, or they can also go their own way.

Sandman mentions Nicola Tesla, who was a bitchless incel and childless and he invented a lot of things that he wouldn’t invent if he had a nagging fat wife around and a bunch of kids screaming. The problem for Sandman here is Tesla was a massive simp and a male feminist. And part of his sexlessness could be because he was too nice to the girls, which put the latter off. From Wikipedia:

He indicated that humanity’s future would be run by “Queen Bees“. He believed that women would become the dominant sex in the future.

Queen bees motherfucka.

Then Sandman speaks of the gaggle. Modern women have an equivalent of a male harem. They have one to fill her punani, another to finance her lifestyle, another one to listen to her cry, a back up guy she told to be just friends, the homosexual guy, who would also like some punani. So you might likely not be the only guy she is dating.

Sandman says traditional marriage is dangerous and suggests surrogacy. Unfortunately, surrogacy is not easily doable. There are archaic laws and no willingness to legalize anything that benefits men.

There is the case of the captain save-a-hoe. Many dudes would pay for their girl’s school or pay her student loans. Only for the woman leaving them at the end. Sandman says many of these women have been riding the cock carousel. And many women prefer to date bad boys and jerks than well adjusted loving men.

Sandman also mentions incel culture that existed back then as True Forced Loneliness and passport bros. He says that the incels focus on conspiracy theories. Clearly a decade ago there still wasn’t the incel hysteria witch hunt we see today. And even the Manosphere discourse couldn’t really talk about it. He warns against passport broing because he says women are the same everywhere and will take advantage of you regardless. Honestly, you can be MGTOW white man in Thailand or the Philippines and just slay punani left and right. Sure, the women would try to manipulate you for money but you don’t have to flex.

You can also hire a pro, to wank your dick and listen to your shit. I am personally for the complete legalization of sex work. In many places this is already the case. But some guys are looking for the women that are not like that. They are looking for a unicorn. 🦄

Activists in Russia Want GULAG for MGTOW

Unnamed activists in Russia directed a letter to Nina Ostanina, head of the committee for the defense of family in Russian parliament (the Duma).

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Basically, the activists have suggested a registry of single men, who do not pursue a relationship with a woman. These guys could be drafted into a military or alternatively sent to forced labor.

This reminds me of bachelor tax. Russia has a large divorce rate and the women in post-Soviet Russia became gold diggers that demand too much of men. Men in divorce in Russia get shafted much like in many countries of the West. Generally, there aren’t many benefits from being married for man, and many risks. MGTOW is getting popular in Russia, they call it жизнь соло “solo life”. Basically, live for yourself, invest the money you make, enjoy life, and have your sexual needs met by a professional. Russia has quite a developed escort industry.

Gynocracy and feminism breeds incels, men that avoid women, simps that serve melady, Chads with harems, and hypergamous gold diggers. And men get blamed for this situation. 😆👌

Styxhexandhammer666 Gets Arrested

This fool is proof that anyone can get a girlfriend…

Well, at least this bat-eater wasn’t an incel. 🤣 You can find his rants about MGTOW as far as nine years. He does the usual schtick, compares MGTOW to Feminism, says these guys cannot get laid (the word incel was not in circulation back then). By what I can gather, he was cohabitating with some crazy, satanic, bitch, and ended up arrested for domestic battery…

Mainstream Society Notices MGTOW

And they are looking for ways to criminalize it…

Previously on this blog, I had a laugh at ADL and their take on MGTOW. But this is no laughing matter fellow men, there is concerted effort to link online Manosphere (not just MGTOW) to terrorism. And this is a call to censorship.

Here we have an interview on The Conversation: Academic rigour, journalistic flair; a French Feminist, Stephanie Lamy says “Masculinism” should be treated as a terrorist threat… Here are her takes on MGTOW…

It’s my definition. The definitions that exist kind of make them sound like they’re social movements, and I want to make it very clear that they are not regular social movements: these are milieux of radicalisation – I believe the Hague’s International Centre for Counter-Terrorism (ICCT) uses that term as well – that build these ideologies over time and spread them through different media.

Then, within masculinism, you have different movements. Incels (Involuntary Celibates), who are heterosexual men who believe that society discriminates against them because of their looks and therefore owes them “genetically superior women”, are probably the movement that most people focus on, though they’re not the ones that produce the most propaganda, which would be Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOWs).

MGTOWs are based on a libertarian ideology. For them, heterosexual relationships are a form of taxation on men, which is actually very perverse because it’s the other way around in reality. But what it is today is men deciding that they can sexually and financially exploit women. A very famous MGTOW is Andrew Tate, for example.

Then you have people called pick-up artists (PUA). This is a radical milieu that allows men to transmit knowledge to other men on how to circumvent women’s consent in order to multiply access to women’s bodies

Guys, Andrew Tate is now an MGTOW! 🤣MGTOW apparently is about the sexual and financial exploitation of women. By the way, did Andrew Tate ever propagate financial and sexual exploitation of women? 🤡I don’t know, you tell me. How does the PUA circumvent woman’s consent?

Incel, MGTOW and PUA are three forms of ideologies basically where men get together, think about how they can assert their domination over women. 

These men are taking and sharing notes, it has to be shut down.☠️

This isn’t the case of every masculinist movement. Take, for example, the Father’s Right’s movement, who believe that fathers are being discriminated against in Family Courts because of what they call “feminised Justice”, which you have in the UK as well: Their way of performing masculinity is not through the relationship they have with women or lack of or wanting to have a relationship with women, but by ensuring that even after divorce, the privileges fathers have are preserved.

I pity the poor schmucks that have to fight the gynocentric system to even see their kids. We have to shut them up and jail them for terrorism to relieve them of their misery.

If you look at the incels, for example, it’s more younger men, but it’s not only white men, right? There’s a huge incel community in India, where there is a perceived lack of access to women.

Here she talks something about the unfortunate incels of India.🤣

The specificity of these different ideological formats is that they will always provide an answer to a dilemma in a man’s life. So, if somebody is divorcing, well, you have the Father’s Rights. If you can’t get a girlfriend, you have the pick -up artists. If the pick-up artists don’t work – which they don’t – they’ll renounce them, and they might go to the incels. So it’s really something incredibly smart to be able to offer men a packaged solution to re-empower them somehow based on a conspiracy theory that feminists are at the origin of all their problems.

LOL, there are like men discussing the problems of men…

I think it’s wrong to think that all of the different milieux de radicalisation are far right. What I’ve observed is that they don’t talk about regular politics that much. For them, everything is about access to women’s bodies or men’s rights or men’s needs. It’s not about far right, far left, right or left. And that’s actually one of the tactics these ideology these militants use to recruit from anywhere on the spectrum and then bring it to the far right. So for me, masculinism has to be seen like some form of meta politics.

Apparently, MGTOW is an ideology… she has called it a movement above.

We had a masculinist attack in 2020, with the murder of Mélanie Ghione, who was knifed 80 times by her ex -partner, Mickaël Philetas. He produced a huge amount of MGTOW propaganda, which is still online.

But he’s been sentenced for life for murder, not on terrorism charges. And even his lawyer said that he was completely radicalized by the MGTOW movement. On his YouTube channel, you can actually see when he was radicalized, in 2017. You can see somebody asking him: “Hey, are you MGTOW?”. And him replying by video “My God, I’m discovering this movement”.

You can really see it in the videos where he’s been conscientized to the ideology. He starts looking it up on Wikipedia, starts reading about it, and then does a video saying: “MGTOW forever”. It’s the same thing as the Jadists propaganda since 2014. For me, it’s exactly the same thing: the same motivations, the same rhythm of talking, the same way of saying that yes, “They’re all in for the cause”. And that was Mickaël Philetas.

It was first portrayed in the media as a femicide, which is great. But it was more than that. It was actually a terrorist attack because motivated by a violent ideology.

He clearly said in his videos that if a woman did something bad to him, that she needed to be punished. He did it. He killed her. He tried to rape her sister and he tried to kill her new companion. He was equipped. He bought night goggles. This was a commando operation.

There are three fundamental beliefs that constitute the MGTOW, that is we live in a gynocentric society, your worth as a man is not defined by women, and the juice is not worth the squeeze. If any of this makes men stab a woman 80 times, it is frankly their problem, I will not stop preaching these principles.

So funny story, not so funny story: When I was researching the MGTOWs in early 2020 in Toulouse, it happened that I was just at my dog park, 50 metres away, and one of the guys that I regularly talked to was sitting on the bench and he said: “So you’re a feminist?”

I said: “Yeah”. And he said, “Well, I’m a masculinist”. And I said: “Okay. So what movement do you belong to?” And he said, “MGTOW. Hey, did you know that what just happened was horrific? There was one of the guys, he killed his ex.”

That’s how I learned about Mikaël Philétas, before all the information came out. I was probably the first person outside of the milieu to know that one of the MGTOW’s had killed Mélanie Ghione.

And so I was sitting there, watching the dogs, and he tells me this horrific story. I said “Well, you know, don’t you think that’s kind of horrific? And he said “Well, yes”. And I said “Well, don’t you think maybe it’s time to move on from those people?” And he said, “Yeah, I’m thinking about it. I liked the self-help side”. I said, “Well, there are a lot of self -help books that don’t actually say that you need to kill women.”

Self-help books that don’t tell you to kill women unlike MGTOW…

I think we need to look at the research about conspiracy theories. Because that’s what it is: ideologies which view feminists as this little group of people who have the means to transform the world, just as many conspiracy theories are based on antisemitic tropes.

So the first thing is to humanize women and their point of view, because the whole point of these ideologies is to erase women’s point of view. Encourage that person to ask themselves: What does she think? How does she feel? I think if you start humanizing women’s voices, that’s already huge. I’ve spoken to other journalists who cover this issue. So Pauline Ferrari said to me in June that what she does is leave little hints all over the place. She’ll leave out a book, or a documentary recommendation.

You need to keep in touch with these people. You need to keep the human link going, because the radicalization process tends to tear individuals away from their support systems.

Now, there is another thing that happens a lot on social media is that a lot of people try to argue with different masculinists – don’t do that. First of all, it’s a waste of time. If you don’t know the person personally, they will never believe you. There is no point arguing with them. And it gives them the attention that they seek and they will be able to reaffirm their own belief system, right?

Bottom line gentlemen, MGTOW blew up big. They want to stop it. There is no stopping this though…

ADL Discovered MGTOW

Guys, MGTOW is done for on all the “bona fide” social networks, ADL has a write up on it…

ADL has immense influence on big tech. Even on free speech absolutist, Elon Musk and his X.

Let’s start the analysis:

Would you look at this frantic effort to associate MGTOW with violence and the far right. But later in the article we read this:

This is because MGTOW was never about harming women, dominating women, male supremacy or whatever ADL tries to ascribe to it. MGTOW is about male independence. Barbarossa has taught me that in the modern world, women make their own money, and they kinda feel they don’t need us men in their lives. If you don’t believe me, listen to what the women are saying.

MGTOW rejects traditional demands that we should get married, especially if there is a risk of divorce. MGTOW does not want a change in policy to bully the women to stay with men. Women here is Czechia get fuck all in divorce, even the child support is laughable, and the divorce rate still hovers around 50%. I heard that less than 10% of pairings are actually happy. In the same breath MGTOW reject the misandry of the mainstream feminists, the discourse of toxic masculinity.

A large number of MGTOW creators are actually black. The aforementioned Barbarossa is mixed raced. If there is such a thing as racism and homophobia on those forums then the space is infiltrated by traditionalists and racists wanting to recruit among disaffected men. Really, if any MGTOW hates gays or people of other races, that’s his personal business that has nothing to do with MGTOW.

LOL, do they mean this article by Milo?

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The ADL is completely clueless about the pills. The basic two pills are blue and red, as in the movie Matrix.

There is the blue pill lalaland, where the girls are sugar and spice, and everything nice, and relationships are like a Disney fairytale. Lot of young guys have these views because that is the only shit they have been exposed to. Mind you, the opposite view is censored. Young boys are conditioned by their single mothers and female teachers to be obedient simps and any opposing view is toxic misogyny.

And then there is the red pill world of darkness, where women have sexual fun with the sexy nonchalant bad boy, where being nice to women gets you the friend zone, where women file the majority of divorces, and where the fucking state is not on your side because you are a man.

Some MGTOW have invented the purple pill, which is kind of a hybrid. There are men out there that have been red pilled but then some woman came into their lives and they became simps and have thrown their fellow men under the bus for the missus. Only to be burned themselves in the end in a fit of poetic justice. Think Before You Sleep and Brittany Venti come to mind. In fact, in my opinion, you can smash pussy and still be red pilled. Most bitches will leave you because most modern women ain’t shit and don’t know how to treat a real man. Some say you inevitably start simping, this kinda is a matter of opinion, I have no issue simping for a woman that brings value to my life, sadly few women are capable of that.

There is also the black pill, which is basically saying that things are futile for an ugly bastard like you. So just cope…

Really, of the bunch, only Sandman is an OG promoter of MGTOW. I have heard 21 Studios mocking MGTOW. Pearl Davis is a rich American girl that lives in London, and had this podcast where she discussed relationships, I have never heard her promote MGTOW.

4b Movement

304b movement, in 2024 the ladies are doing MGTOW. Mingers going their own way…

Honestly, MGTOW in Murica and many Western countries makes sense. 50% divorce rate, custody battles, single mothers stealing the kids, women with tattoos, debts, high body counts. Happy dating gentlemen…

But in South Korea, the local girls said no to sex, dating, kids, and marriage. Apparently, this is a sex strike to fight sexism. There is apparently a lot of patriarchy and misogyny in Korea and women wanna punish the blokes for it. Or so the narrative goes. Commentators also mention South Korea’s dismal birthrates.

It has me thinking the Korean men are doing the patriarchy wrong. The Taliban or Saudi Arabia have no issue with birth rates. From what I gather is, South Korea always had a robust feminist movement. I would not blame low birth rates on feminism alone because low birthrates are a feature of industrialized societies but dismally low birth rates might have to do with some feminist child free bullshit.

Some trashy bitches of TikTok want to bring this Korean movement of not dating, having sex, children, and marriage to the West. In my opinion they have already been on this for a long time. Radical man hating feminist were around when I was young. Lots of women out there simply don’t have kids because they do not want to. Many can’t even talk to men and are too frigid to have sex.

Ultimately, this whole feminism is really about foregoing kids and replacing them with other pursuits for women. This is why feminists vehemently support abortion. Abortion is the only woman’s right in 2024.

Women Resort to Shaming Men When Those do not Act in Their Interest

There is a serious decline in normal people…

I am not sure why she put incels there. Incels are guys that never got their chance with women. The rise of Instagram and Tinder only expanded this cohort of men. The MGTOW guys are usually formerly married men that warn the young guys so they do not have to go through the same shit.

The red pill is about seeing the world for what it is. One of the biggest red pills is that 50% of first marriages end in divorce. So 50% of people that get married are not having normal happy life. In fact, even those couples that stay married are not always happy with each other. I know of married couples that live separately.

Men should absolutely make the choice of who they marry. And I would tell you that the vast majority of modern women are not marriage material. How many women are obese or have debts? Shaming men to get back to the plantation and marry fatties with student loans does not work anymore in the current year.

UPD: I would make a correction here, I remember watching Barbarossa already in 2010. But red pill content because more viral later.

How Did Red Pill Become a Gym Supplement?

The movie Matrix had a profound impact on people. Some denizens of the internet have realized the media and the soyciety lies to you, and sells you feel good hopium. This blog serves you red pills on Ukraine, and if you are a NAFO troll, the content might induce rage. The manosphere caught on to it, and began spreading the message, and that message was…

We live in a gynocentric society that is often hostile to men. We have men falsely accused of rape, sexual harassment, or domestic abuse and the state and the soyciety is always siding with the female. The modern female is manipulative and exploits the man for resources while bringing little value outside of some used pussy. Many schmucks out there don’t even get that as about one third of marriages out there are sexless. About a half of all marriages in developed countries end in divorce. This is because women do not marry the men that are their first choice, women really find only the top guys attractive.

That was the essence of MGTOW content like ten years ago. The red pill was that relationships with modern women are risky, marriage is a risky investment that has a high chance of robbing you of your assets. It is a bad deal for men in many Western countries, it is exploitative of man’s labour.

But then pussy obsessed incels hijacked the conversation and introduced the black pill. The black pill is basically the realisation that most guys aren’t attractive to girls, and will struggle dating. The incels have a point here, they also mention that most men out there are not even loved by the women and if they happen to be in a relationship, they are just tolerated because the bitch could not do better.

The problem with the black pill is that it squarely focuses on relationships with women, or the lack of them. It considers the men according to their value to women. These guys are pussy obsessed low IQ idiots that cannot understand that a man’s worth is not defined by how the women treat him. This is giving women too much agency over your life. Women should have as little of it possible.

These guys don’t like MGTOW because they are too pussy obsessed. They run the same kind of arguments, the PUAs and Tradcucks run against MGTOW. They think MGTOWs are coping betas and unattractive men. Chad cannot be an MGTOW. Even though Chad does not settle or Chad has ample experience with women that might make him an MGTOW. The incels judge their own worthiness by the ability to attract women and can’t understand somebody can have it differently.

Somehow, the answer to blackpillers has become: “just hit the gym bro”. Blackpillers are actually correct that if you are an unattractive dude, no amount of gym is going to help you. Meanwhile, if you are an attractive dude, that is sufficiently tall in most cases, and with a pretty face, you can even get away with being fat. Leonardo di Caprio runs around with a dad bod and slams supermodels.

Red pill somehow became associated with self improvement gurus against the black pill. In fact, red pill is the original black pill. It has a red gelatinous capsule and it’s content is thoroughly black. I am not against exercise, you should not be obese but I am more in favour of running and cardio and keeping lean. But you have been dealt only certain genetics and have to work with that. And the biggest black pill out there is the state of the modern women.

Three Fundamental Beliefs of MGTOW

I have tried to define MGTOW in my previous post on the topic, and although it didn’t turn out that bad, I must say I feel like it was a bit of rant…

Here I would like to present three fundamental beliefs, or red pills, that make up the MGTOW discourse…

1) We live in a gynocentric society

Despite the conventional wisdom spread by the state supported feminists, women are not oppressed by a patriarchy in Western countries and the governments, the media, the corporations do their utmost to pander to women. This institutionalized simping only intensifies. We have Mary Sue female leads in films that suck a dick. (the films, Mary Sue probably has a dick) We have girls allowed into boy-scouts. And we have inspirational women in charge of submarines that sink.

2) Man’s worth is not defined by women.

So, the conventional measurement of your own manhood by the soyciety is by how much the ladies can exploit your labour. We literally have guys that commit suicide after being cucked by their honey because they blame themselves for failing as men. MGTOW is here to help.

3) The juice isn’t worth the squeeze

Modern women are not marriage material. And they are not worth your time if you have any self respect left as a man. Also, association with women can lead you to a court room in the gynocentric West. Hence, be on your guard…