And they are looking for ways to criminalize it…

Previously on this blog, I had a laugh at ADL and their take on MGTOW. But this is no laughing matter fellow men, there is concerted effort to link online Manosphere (not just MGTOW) to terrorism. And this is a call to censorship.

Here we have an interview on The Conversation: Academic rigour, journalistic flair; a French Feminist, Stephanie Lamy says “Masculinism” should be treated as a terrorist threat… Here are her takes on MGTOW…

It’s my definition. The definitions that exist kind of make them sound like they’re social movements, and I want to make it very clear that they are not regular social movements: these are milieux of radicalisation – I believe the Hague’s International Centre for Counter-Terrorism (ICCT) uses that term as well – that build these ideologies over time and spread them through different media.

Then, within masculinism, you have different movements. Incels (Involuntary Celibates), who are heterosexual men who believe that society discriminates against them because of their looks and therefore owes them “genetically superior women”, are probably the movement that most people focus on, though they’re not the ones that produce the most propaganda, which would be Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOWs).

MGTOWs are based on a libertarian ideology. For them, heterosexual relationships are a form of taxation on men, which is actually very perverse because it’s the other way around in reality. But what it is today is men deciding that they can sexually and financially exploit women. A very famous MGTOW is Andrew Tate, for example.

Then you have people called pick-up artists (PUA). This is a radical milieu that allows men to transmit knowledge to other men on how to circumvent women’s consent in order to multiply access to women’s bodies

Guys, Andrew Tate is now an MGTOW! 🤣MGTOW apparently is about the sexual and financial exploitation of women. By the way, did Andrew Tate ever propagate financial and sexual exploitation of women? 🤡I don’t know, you tell me. How does the PUA circumvent woman’s consent?

Incel, MGTOW and PUA are three forms of ideologies basically where men get together, think about how they can assert their domination over women. 

These men are taking and sharing notes, it has to be shut down.☠️

This isn’t the case of every masculinist movement. Take, for example, the Father’s Right’s movement, who believe that fathers are being discriminated against in Family Courts because of what they call “feminised Justice”, which you have in the UK as well: Their way of performing masculinity is not through the relationship they have with women or lack of or wanting to have a relationship with women, but by ensuring that even after divorce, the privileges fathers have are preserved.

I pity the poor schmucks that have to fight the gynocentric system to even see their kids. We have to shut them up and jail them for terrorism to relieve them of their misery.

If you look at the incels, for example, it’s more younger men, but it’s not only white men, right? There’s a huge incel community in India, where there is a perceived lack of access to women.

Here she talks something about the unfortunate incels of India.🤣

The specificity of these different ideological formats is that they will always provide an answer to a dilemma in a man’s life. So, if somebody is divorcing, well, you have the Father’s Rights. If you can’t get a girlfriend, you have the pick -up artists. If the pick-up artists don’t work – which they don’t – they’ll renounce them, and they might go to the incels. So it’s really something incredibly smart to be able to offer men a packaged solution to re-empower them somehow based on a conspiracy theory that feminists are at the origin of all their problems.

LOL, there are like men discussing the problems of men…

I think it’s wrong to think that all of the different milieux de radicalisation are far right. What I’ve observed is that they don’t talk about regular politics that much. For them, everything is about access to women’s bodies or men’s rights or men’s needs. It’s not about far right, far left, right or left. And that’s actually one of the tactics these ideology these militants use to recruit from anywhere on the spectrum and then bring it to the far right. So for me, masculinism has to be seen like some form of meta politics.

Apparently, MGTOW is an ideology… she has called it a movement above.

We had a masculinist attack in 2020, with the murder of Mélanie Ghione, who was knifed 80 times by her ex -partner, Mickaël Philetas. He produced a huge amount of MGTOW propaganda, which is still online.

But he’s been sentenced for life for murder, not on terrorism charges. And even his lawyer said that he was completely radicalized by the MGTOW movement. On his YouTube channel, you can actually see when he was radicalized, in 2017. You can see somebody asking him: “Hey, are you MGTOW?”. And him replying by video “My God, I’m discovering this movement”.

You can really see it in the videos where he’s been conscientized to the ideology. He starts looking it up on Wikipedia, starts reading about it, and then does a video saying: “MGTOW forever”. It’s the same thing as the Jadists propaganda since 2014. For me, it’s exactly the same thing: the same motivations, the same rhythm of talking, the same way of saying that yes, “They’re all in for the cause”. And that was Mickaël Philetas.

It was first portrayed in the media as a femicide, which is great. But it was more than that. It was actually a terrorist attack because motivated by a violent ideology.

He clearly said in his videos that if a woman did something bad to him, that she needed to be punished. He did it. He killed her. He tried to rape her sister and he tried to kill her new companion. He was equipped. He bought night goggles. This was a commando operation.

There are three fundamental beliefs that constitute the MGTOW, that is we live in a gynocentric society, your worth as a man is not defined by women, and the juice is not worth the squeeze. If any of this makes men stab a woman 80 times, it is frankly their problem, I will not stop preaching these principles.

So funny story, not so funny story: When I was researching the MGTOWs in early 2020 in Toulouse, it happened that I was just at my dog park, 50 metres away, and one of the guys that I regularly talked to was sitting on the bench and he said: “So you’re a feminist?”

I said: “Yeah”. And he said, “Well, I’m a masculinist”. And I said: “Okay. So what movement do you belong to?” And he said, “MGTOW. Hey, did you know that what just happened was horrific? There was one of the guys, he killed his ex.”

That’s how I learned about Mikaël Philétas, before all the information came out. I was probably the first person outside of the milieu to know that one of the MGTOW’s had killed Mélanie Ghione.

And so I was sitting there, watching the dogs, and he tells me this horrific story. I said “Well, you know, don’t you think that’s kind of horrific? And he said “Well, yes”. And I said “Well, don’t you think maybe it’s time to move on from those people?” And he said, “Yeah, I’m thinking about it. I liked the self-help side”. I said, “Well, there are a lot of self -help books that don’t actually say that you need to kill women.”

Self-help books that don’t tell you to kill women unlike MGTOW…

I think we need to look at the research about conspiracy theories. Because that’s what it is: ideologies which view feminists as this little group of people who have the means to transform the world, just as many conspiracy theories are based on antisemitic tropes.

So the first thing is to humanize women and their point of view, because the whole point of these ideologies is to erase women’s point of view. Encourage that person to ask themselves: What does she think? How does she feel? I think if you start humanizing women’s voices, that’s already huge. I’ve spoken to other journalists who cover this issue. So Pauline Ferrari said to me in June that what she does is leave little hints all over the place. She’ll leave out a book, or a documentary recommendation.

You need to keep in touch with these people. You need to keep the human link going, because the radicalization process tends to tear individuals away from their support systems.

Now, there is another thing that happens a lot on social media is that a lot of people try to argue with different masculinists – don’t do that. First of all, it’s a waste of time. If you don’t know the person personally, they will never believe you. There is no point arguing with them. And it gives them the attention that they seek and they will be able to reaffirm their own belief system, right?

Bottom line gentlemen, MGTOW blew up big. They want to stop it. There is no stopping this though…