Umland Says Nazis in Ukraine are Russian Disinformation

In a Russian language article by Andreas Umland I received in mail today, the latter tries to make the argument that the National Interest columnist, Ted Galen Carpenter is somehow wrong and under the influence of Russian propaganda when he says that Ukraine is a purveyor of radical nationalism. He brings forth the lame argument about electoral success of nationalist parties in Ukraine.

I have already debunked this argument on this blog. The issue boils down to Ukraine’s geography. Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, with a population around 30 million and many diverse regions. Only large oligarch funded projects score in such an environment. But there are outright radical nationalists in big oligarchical project too, and they are also embedded among the siloviks. They may not even be popular among the general population but they influence the cultural policy and have military units and guns. Radical nationalism, neonazism feels at home in Ukraine. And if the West does not keep an eye on Ukraine, sooner or later neonazis will bite back from Ukraine. Many researchers in the far right note the connection between neonazis in the West and their counterparts in Ukraine. Ukraine provides a safe haven for propaganda, merchandise sale and military training for whoever is willing to swear loyalty to Ukraine.

Read my Fashiks category for news on Nazis in Ukraine.

7 thoughts on “Umland Says Nazis in Ukraine are Russian Disinformation

  1. Many western Nazis are just into whoever has the biggest ego (at least according to their world view) from what I can see. Some like Ukraine and some like Japan’s attitude towards the shrine. They’re not bright enough to start something of Euromaidan’s scale. However if they do make it to those Ukrainian Nazis and receive some proper training, proper funding and even more radicalization, things might be different and yes, the West will be in big trouble and they’ll eventually realize what they’ve unleashed in Ukraine back in 2014.

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    1. I believe America supports the Nazis as was shown in the Sternenko case. They support the Nazis as the most anti-Russian element in Ukraine. The blowback is brushed off by the commentariat. Same as the support of Mujahedeen in the 80s Afghanistan. At the end of the day, the Russian will bleed dealing with the Nazis Murica helped create.

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      1. If you ask me, I’d say that even the original Nazi back in WW2 had enjoyed that US support. If my memory served me right, I remember I’ve r ad about how Henry Ford was pumping money to Hitler before he took down a great chunk of Western Europe. From Hitler to Mujahideen to those pimps aka “anti-communist nationalists” across Asia back in Cold War to this, US tends to support those type of characters. That said though, US seems to be really good at twisting the narratives to their favors whenever shits backfire to US itself, and people for some magical reasons, tend to believe everything US says. I believe when it comes down to it, those questionable characters such as Nazis and Mujahideen need to be aware that US will fuck them over one day and deny the fact that they were something US raised. Then again, all of them are either highly corrupted or highly egoistic characters, or even both. They simply won’t learn. I say even now it’s a bit too far fetched for common Americans to realize the evil deed the US government has done, and not to mention US can manipulate any desire to rebel. Just look at both antifa and western far rights you’ll know. What Russia can do, is to at least ensure the safety of the Russian people living in US by educate its citizens the proper confrontation skill and ability to handle themselves; making Russian citizens more aware of what the West is truly made of, as well as make itself more likeable in the face of common Americans. It would also help if Russia can prevent NGO from gaining too much influence in Russia. Putin seems to do a fine job at all of them so far, that’s why Russia survived Bush, Obama and Trump. But for exposing the dirty deeds, Russia can put the fact out there through its media power, but people may or may not buy into it.

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      2. Quite frankly, US owes Europe and Asia nothing. At the end of the day, they exploit divisions they haven’t created, we created them.

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  2. “Quite frankly, US owes Europe and Asia nothing. At the end of the day, they exploit divisions they haven’t created, we created them”

    Heard of such argument before. It’s kind of a mater of perspective. This is what US does; US may exploit either a division, such as the whole deal with Poland’s relationship with Russia or Germany. Or US may exploit cultural weakness, such as what MacArthur did with Japan, South Korea and Taiwan – on this note, I think we may include US’ deal with Sunni Takfiri into this category. So in a sense there’s some truth to it. Then again, the most fucked up part out of all of these, is how US prevents the countries or even individual from fixing itself – just take a look at Asian Americans where Asians will be condemned for merely trying to assimilate and form a more equal friendship with other Americans instead of being the “Asian doll” that everyone love to pick on, make “harmless” jokes about as well as bully and intimidate whenever the aforementioned Asian person has some disagreement (often under the disguise of “straight talk”). And like we both have known; US tend to bullshit whenever things backfire.

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    1. US foreign policy is extremely idealist. It reminds me of USSR. They want to export democracy and loyal predictable regimes around the World. I bet many in US do not realize the consequences.

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      1. Precisely. US’ problem is that it acts like a child who doesn’t understand the concept of consequence. Your typical Americans have a mindset of “we need this, so we’ll get insert-name country to do that. They better go according to our script. If they don’t comply and try to reform in the way we don’t like, we’ll just force it our way”. Now we all see the consequences, but most common Americans don’t realize the seriousness of all of these. That’s why we’re seeing problems externally and internally.

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